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Snow Jo ❄️ :v_enby: 💫

The "The rules have to be consistent or they're not the real rules" and "it doesn't mean 'i love obeying authority' or 'i love conforming'" lines hit me like a fucking truck though

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Gravecat :blobcatuwu:

@ShadowJonathan just... a fuckin' thousand percent this. Clear instructions = GOOD, but like hell I'm gonna respect authority figures just because someone tells me I should.

olena

@ShadowJonathan basically, the rules are the instruction to make something the optimal way. We read the rules, and if we have no experience with the matter - we try to follow them(assuming that if they’re followed - they are efficient). If the result is satisfactory, we stick to the rules (first engineer’s law: if it works, don’t touch it), if it’s not or we see the inefficiency, contradictions etc - basically, everything that makes us think this is not optimal for everyone involved - we try to invent our own, more efficient ones

@ShadowJonathan basically, the rules are the instruction to make something the optimal way. We read the rules, and if we have no experience with the matter - we try to follow them(assuming that if they’re followed - they are efficient). If the result is satisfactory, we stick to the rules (first engineer’s law: if it works, don’t touch it), if it’s not or we see the inefficiency, contradictions etc - basically, everything that makes us think this is not optimal for everyone involved - we try to invent...

olena

@ShadowJonathan like, it’s the same with instruction manuals: if I haven’t assembled the thing before, I surely will read ALL the instructions available before I start, and gosh I love having clear ones. But after doing that by the manual once, I may contemplate the result, think about the process - and decide that next time I am doing that differently

Jaden Rubisco

@ShadowJonathan Oh hell yea, this is like the most relatable thing I've seen all week

DoomsdaysCW

@ShadowJonathan Something something, unjust laws, something something...

DoomsdaysCW

@ShadowJonathan Here we go. Saint Thomas Aquinas: "An unjust law is no law at all." (ca 1200's)

Wyatt H Knott

@ShadowJonathan What I'm hearing is "autists are natural anarchists."

Juliamon

@ShadowJonathan Autistic people don't want to *follow* rules, we just want to know they exist so we can analyze whether they are good or not. We don't want to take for granted that we're being told the truth, because we know nobody ever tells us the truth to our face. Oppression of autistic people is based in the 'rule' that we are an aberration that shouldn't exist, so why would we follow that rule? So too we eye the gender binary warily and with reasonable doubt.

Jargoggles

@ShadowJonathan
They've clearly never seen an autistic person run up against a rule that didn't make sense.

Ian K. Rogers ikr?╭ರ_ಠ

@ShadowJonathan I like rules as systems of understanding, not edicts. Frickin heck.

patcanfield

@ShadowJonathan Every rule can be reasoned, unless it's a bad rule-pre 2024, most rules could be easily reasoned as being beneficial to society at large.OR, figure out your Perfect World, make the rules, and follow them. If Your rules don't match rules of 101 days ago-I'd be curious to hear them.

creatures :plural_heart:

@ShadowJonathan can't follow rules that make no sense to us. Gives us a logical reason or stop trying

Ivy [_gay] Mae :fire_trans:

@ShadowJonathan if the "rules" are wrong then they're just orders from the unqualified and bigoted/uninformed
good rules should lead to the optimal outcomes for all

Soren

@ShadowJonathan this puts a concept into words, that I have missed for a while. Thank you for sharing!

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