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Frost, Wolffucker 🐺:therian:

@glyph @jalefkowit Wordpress is also Wordpress. When you run 40% of the internet, of course you're gonna get whacked with a crapton of hacking effort. (See also Windows.)

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Frost, Wolffucker 🐺:therian:

@glyph @jalefkowit From what we hear, it's also often Wordpress plugins getting hacked - I don't know how often it's the core of Wordpress itself. (We've never used Wordpress and don't know much about it.) Plugins that for all we know, might be written by those newbie programmers that PHP lets actually program instead of just staring at an impenetrable wall, getting daunted, and walking away.

Should the stuff be secure? Absolutely! But the way to fix that is good tutorials and stuff that teach people how to write good code, as well as potentially giving PHP better defaults if those are bad, not "throw PHP in a ditch, use Python or whatever, it's Inherently Better". (I personally don't jive with Python because of its whole "personal style is bad, you MUST use the ONE TRUE WAY for everything" culture. It's not anywhere near as bad as Rust in that respect, though.)

@glyph @jalefkowit From what we hear, it's also often Wordpress plugins getting hacked - I don't know how often it's the core of Wordpress itself. (We've never used Wordpress and don't know much about it.) Plugins that for all we know, might be written by those newbie programmers that PHP lets actually program instead of just staring at an impenetrable wall, getting daunted, and walking away.

Glyph

@IceWolf @jalefkowit I acknowledge that that's a factor, but it's definitely not the only factor.

Anyway I don't need to yuck your yum; if you like it, and you don't agree with my take, that is your option. And while I don't mind putting that idea out there, I am not going to yell at you about it, if I am going to put effort into something, I will go make my own rickety pile of infrastructure more appealing and accessible, not just put down PHP 🙂

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