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Dragon

@ShadowJonathan I wonder if that will hurt availability of the Lower end handsets, esp as a lot of the oems are at the mercy of if the chipset vendor can be bothered to support the soc

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prex

@Dragon I think prices in general will go up as these rules imply less sales (as individual phones last longer)
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Dragon

@prex @ShadowJonathan that and thereโ€™s a cost to supporting it for that long

Abazigal

@Dragon Possible that the smartphone market might just shrink to Apple, Samsung and Google? Not many companies have the resources to support their devices for that long, much less remain profitable while doing so.

Natasha Nox ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ

@Abazigal @Dragon Very unlikely. People often forget that selling individual parts, access to schematics, extended warranties (which make more sense if the device has a long lifetime) etc. also adds revenue. It's more of a shift in how to make business, not how much.
Additionally stuff like this strengthens the second-hand market, which in turn causes more sales in repair parts, and so onโ€ฆ a lot of positive dynamics.

Henk Langeveld

@Abazigal @Dragon

I suspect my #Fairphone4 already complies with most of these requirements.

And they just lowered the price of the #fairphone5 model.

prex

@Abazigal fairphone has been in business for a decade iirc selling long lasting phones, so I'm hopeful others will find a way. Easier when you're in a niche I'd say, but maybe it can be imitated
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Carl

@prex The TCO will actually go down. And I do not believe this protection for consumers will actually increase prices. There is the market pressure. @Dragon @ShadowJonathan

prex

@carl if the TCO will go down or not depends on the price level and given how the smartphone is essential for most people I think there's lot of space for them to grow. But I do hope you're right.

And for the records, while I'm worried about price increases for low income people, in general I think it's a good law
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Franchesca

@prex @Dragon @ShadowJonathan I already donโ€™t buy a new phone more frequently than every 6 years, and I would go longer if I could. This is great!

Luk

@prex @Dragon @ShadowJonathan well, this is good if thatโ€™s the case. Less stuff in the landfills

engineer

@Dragon @ShadowJonathan Samsung is selling A16 for 130โ‚ฌ with 6 years of support, so it is possible.
Bunch of 6-7y old phones have LineageOS 22 (Android 15) build, but OEMs stopped supporting them years ago. Some companies like HMD have 5y for business users only (2y for standard models) even though hardware and software are the same.
Maybe these new regulations will put pressure on OEMs who are selling bad products, but it could actually make it easier (and cheaper) for those who already invest in repairability and/or longer support.

@Dragon @ShadowJonathan Samsung is selling A16 for 130โ‚ฌ with 6 years of support, so it is possible.
Bunch of 6-7y old phones have LineageOS 22 (Android 15) build, but OEMs stopped supporting them years ago. Some companies like HMD have 5y for business users only (2y for standard models) even though hardware and software are the same.
Maybe these new regulations will put pressure on OEMs who are selling...

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