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Amata :verified_genderqueer:

@neurobashing Actually, NASA was going for Mars prior to 2016. The SLS is designed with Mars in mind. It was Trump back then who turned it to Moon instead, which is not what was desired. It is where we are now, and Mars by Musk is no happy matter. However, NASA could change trajectory again; this is the problem of being at whims of an administration. Trump had this idea that Moon is easier, and could be gone back to by 2020, making him a 'hero' of sorts...not realising that was an unfeasible task.

10 February at 0:26 | Open on flipping.rocks
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Vyvyan Basterd

@sunguramy right but hasn't the moon *always* been first on the list?

10 February at 0:47 | Open on mastodon.social
Vyvyan Basterd

@sunguramy (to be clear I thought it went, moon, mars, back to moon)

10 February at 0:51 | Open on mastodon.social
Amata :verified_genderqueer:

@neurobashing Nope! This was lies pushed by Trump 1.0!
The moon is really not helpful for anything at this point, which is why people who actually know shit didn't want to go back there (aka, nasa)

1. Moon is an awful location for observatory or earth observation, much larger temp swings than ISS, can't easily use solar power due to 2 week long nights, and you cannot perform microgravity experiments, much higher radiation, and costs about 100x more per pound to get mass there to build anything.

2. The fuel required to change from lunar orbital inclination to solar inclination is (pun intended) astronomical.

THE ONLY PURPOSE for the whole Back to Moon thing was PR. There is no point in going there before Mars, never was.

And there is no point on making some lunar colony or observation post or anything like that either.

It was a PR stunt that changed the direction of the last 8 years, to one that is set now, and we should follow through don't get me wrong; but it was never originally about the moon at all.

Sorry you got duped by 2016 trump propaganda...

@neurobashing Nope! This was lies pushed by Trump 1.0!
The moon is really not helpful for anything at this point, which is why people who actually know shit didn't want to go back there (aka, nasa)

1. Moon is an awful location for observatory or earth observation, much larger temp swings than ISS, can't easily use solar power due to 2 week long nights, and you cannot perform microgravity experiments, much higher radiation, and costs about 100x more per pound to get mass there to build anything.

10 February at 0:57 | Open on flipping.rocks
Vyvyan Basterd

@sunguramy ok, fair, but I think my point still stands: he can't ever put anything outside of the Van Allen belts, or his whole schtick collapses. Same reason he tossed the entire “budget/commuter Tesla” in favor of the low-volume, high impact Cybertruck. He'd have to commit to *cars and infra expansion* and not pie in the sky FSD.

10 February at 1:02 | Open on mastodon.social
Syulang

@sunguramy @neurobashing But what's the point in Mars? Pretty much all the same problems, and mostly even worse.

I can't see any reason for it that isn't Musk wanking about the light of conciousness.

10 February at 6:30 | Open on aus.social
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@Syulang @sunguramy @neurobashing Human progress. Mars is the logical next step and would offer massive scientific opportunities IF DONE CORRECTLY.

This kind of fundamental science often is too disconnected from our daily lives to easily grasp its usefulness. Without it there wouldn't be any major progress at all though. The whole "innovation" corporations keep pushing isn't worth dogshit without it. True advancements always come from peeps like NASA, people like Musk are just grifters.

10 February at 10:10 | Open on chaos.social
Syulang

@Natanox @sunguramy @neurobashing but hat can we do on Mars that can't be done better and easier here on Earth? Its a dead, frozen, irradiated ball of rock that is millions of Ks away through a vacuum punctured by ionising radiation.

We don't need an artificial challenge when we have so many real challenges that pose real, existential threats to us that we are refusing to address.

10 February at 13:45 | Open on aus.social
Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸

@Syulang @sunguramy @neurobashing We can do better science. Learn material properties, astrophysics, how to grow food extremely efficient… there's a myriad of things that benefit us!

10 February at 14:42 | Open on chaos.social
enoch_exe_inc

@sunguramy @neurobashing However, the Moon is a lot closer. Mightn’t it make more sense to first build a lunar base first as a stepping stone towards merely landing on Mars? Also, solar power isn’t the only way to power stuff in space. Nuclear fission power is also a possibility, and it’s what would likely be required for any non-polar lunar base.

10 February at 10:22 | Open on mastodon.social
Lovolicious Jonnycakes

@sunguramy "Sorry you got super by Trump 2016 propaganda."

Sorry you resorted to selfish ad hominem attacks. So much for Mastodon being a safe place.

10 February at 13:45 | Open on mastodon.social
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